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ktd



Jul 3, 08 - 7:53 PM 		Ability

Are good dart players born with the ability to play darts or is it a practice thing?
Phil Taylor, Eric Bristow, John Lowe are they born with that special something or was it just hard work on their part to be as good as they are.
I've been practicing all my life and I couldn't make a living of darts.

Born with a gift or just sheer hard work??
bullseye



Jul 4th, 2008 - 9:29 AM 		Re: Ability

Great dart players are born....not made.
ben



Jul 4th, 2008 - 10:40 AM 		Re: Ability

Not born, not made in heaven. However, all great players share common attributes. They are; desire, ability, absolute belief and huge kahonies ( is that spelt right).
I see it in action every week, from the 19 y.o. Kirk Shepard to the great Phil Taylor they all ooze a high level of the above....
and as for your own ambitions Ken, it might be a little late to achieve Phil's position but look at Robert Thornton. Almost anything is posiible if it's wanted enough...but you will have to dump the tie.
Jayke



Jul 4th, 2008 - 1:22 PM 		Re: Ability

Robert Thornton


He opened all those fancy chocolate shops didn't he?


Phil Taylor said he would never go to bed until he threw a certain amount of 180s beforehand every night- I saw him and his wife buying a car years ago in Newcastle Under Lyme, trust me I wouldn't go to bed until I'd thrown at least 3 dozen 180s to be fair if I was him either
HARRY



Jul 5th, 2008 - 2:54 AM 		Re: Ability

I think it is a bit of both,at an early age players find out they have the eye,hand coordernation,from then on it is a case of practise
But dont forget there are many players that want to be at your standard So wouldnt worry about it too much
Jayke



Jul 5th, 2008 - 4:04 AM 		Re: Ability

'But dont forget there are many players that want to be at your standard'


Thanks H. They are mainly either in institutions or lost their eyesight when very young though.


Oh- you were talking to Kenny
HARRY



Jul 5th, 2008 - 4:09 AM 		Re: Ability

Could be you or Kenny.Would like to play at Kennys standard on darts nights,and then at the fairground at your standard.Go home with loads of ballons and stuff for scoring under 21 with 3 darts
ktd



Jul 6th, 2008 - 6:19 PM 		Re: Ability

The tie is not an issue. I probably wouldn't play any better or worse if I wore a tutu

Now wouldn't that be a sight for sore eyes.

All of us darters would move up a notch if we practiced more, most of us only play once a week, maybe twice and dare I say it,'to get away from the misses for beers with the lads'

Scary thought for the day. Jayke the....moving up a notch
Grant



Jul 16th, 2008 - 6:53 AM 		Re: Ability

My theory is that at some early point in their careers the very best players stumbled across some little thing they did while standing at the oche that made them “click” – to made them able to play like champions. While it may appear to us ordinary folk that they are just standing at the oche throwing darts at the board all day long for practice like the rest of us, what they are actually doing is warming up the switch that makes them “click”. I used to think this was just a high degree of focus, concentration, desire, etc like Ben said, but their abilities seem to go well beyond it possibly being just that alone.
The trouble is, for every individual the click switch is something different, so they can’t say “Do this and you’ll be a champion like me.” Everybody has to find out what makes them “click” for themselves.
I have discovered that my own personal click switch is the consumption of my 10th pint – at that point I am totally unbeatable. Trouble is, the 11th pint switches the bloody thing off again!
What’s that I hear you say ?.... Stop drinking at beer No. 10..... Well, that’s another switch entirely !
I'm the Girl



Jul 17th, 2008 - 4:33 AM 		Re: Ability

A challenge then to K Kenny . . next week play in a tutu - and no tie
and see if it affects your game
ben



Jul 17th, 2008 - 6:33 AM 		Re: Ability

Great reply grant especially the bit about the click disappearing at 11 beers. that same thing happens to me only it's at 4 and 5 so now i make the forth last an hour then sip at the fifth until the match is over...then go on the pi..

Still i must disagree. We all have the click but very important factors determine its duration;

1. How regular you want to play at the click level
2. Healthy supply of players better than you to initiate your climb up the quality ranks.

I have the pleasure of playing against these guys in a few of the south of England tournaments, as a competitor you have absolute access to all there. I broached this very topic to a few guys whilst sharing a ciggy outside or in the mensroom, and to a man the click factor is nothing magical or gifted from above its the 'zone' again no wizardry its the moment when body and mind is in complete harmony making the game easy.....you are in complete control of your technique and focus whether alcohol induced or not trouble, is the hard bit is the continued struggle for each and every one of us professionals too, to further extend that peak time.
A great example of this has got to be Yoong from the Pelican who i hear won the Hong Kong open recently,
he had, and still has all the attributes of a guy who want's to go far in this game.
Once you make the decision to be as good as you can be your own 'zone' will extend accordingly.
Jayke



Jul 17th, 2008 - 9:50 AM 		Re: Ability

Cool can post
on my phone .
No internet as
of yet. Ben,
when your
replies are
shorter than a
tolkein novel
will take time
out to read. I
think chucking
a pointy thing
at the wall is
about who
cares the most
and luck
combined. Is
hard to
concentrate
long enough to
throw 3 darts -
be real people
Grant



Jul 19th, 2008 - 9:46 AM 		Re: Ability

But I wish you had the ability to put more than 3 words on a line !
ktd



Jul 28th, 2008 - 2:49 AM 		Re: Ability

Attitude is one of the keys to the game. If you think you can't win then you won't.
Keep focused even after a score of 7,11 and the many 26's that we throw. Retrieve your darts and look forward to the next, it could be a 140.
So remember, believe in yourself.
ktd



Sep 24th, 2008 - 2:47 AM 		Re: Ability

I find it important to bring this thread back up about ability of darters. The debate on born or made as regard to dart players--it swings to the outcome of made and not born. It's obvious it's an eye-hand coordination ability. I play in a fun league week in and week out and I watch the players in this league competing against each other and what they get up to on the oche. Three darts, one motion. I see so many players stopping after throwing their first dart and raising their shoulders, their arms, cursing, because the first dart has hit a one or a five. The first dart is classed as a marker and the second and third dart should actually go closer to or hit what you are aiming for. I know it is a fun league and we don't take it too seriously, but many players would actually improve their game by staying motionless at the oche, with just their throwing arm moving in the process of throwing all three darts. This is not an insult or criticism of any dart player in the fun league. Just a tip from a seasoned veteran of the great game of darts.

Looking forward to meeting most of you on the oche before the end of this season. Good luck with your darts, drink heartily, and aim true.
Grant



Sep 25th, 2008 - 4:47 AM 		Re: Ability

Shhh Kenny, if you tell them what they are doing wrong I'll never be able to beat them - again !
ktd



Oct 1st, 2008 - 3:21 AM 		Re: Ability

I mentioned about movement of the body when stood at the oche, but what about doing a 'twirl' between darts. Does this help or what?
KaptainK



Oct 1st, 2008 - 3:40 AM 		Re: Ability

"Do the Twist"

I agree with Kenny, you never move between your throws. The idea is when u get to a venue, line your shoulder up with the bull, look down and find out where you foot is along the oche and make an imaginary maker in that spot, that's where you should stand for every dart and every time you approach the oche that night.... and keep your elbow in...

However, when all else fails I "Do the Twist" after 2 bad darts. This comes from Kenny used say to me and still does..."Shake it off, Shake it off", I don't wanna stand at the oche shaking like I'm doing an African war dance, so I "Do the Twist". It may be all in my head(most things are lol) however so many times, i threw a terrible first two darts and then done a twirl and the 3rd dart, 9 times outta 10 goes at least in the 20, some times a triple and then sometimes the classic lucky double top.

NOTE: It doesn't work unless you sing "Dooooo the Twist" whilst spinning around ...lol--->
ktd



Oct 9th, 2008 - 10:52 PM 		Re: Ability

I watched a movie some time ago called “The Last Samurai” A scene in this movie is where the son of the leader of the Samurai is giving advice to Tom Cruise (my look alike). He says, too many minds, mind the sword, mind the opponent, mind the people watching, too many minds. This is what some player should listen to also. Some dart players worry too much about what their adversary is doing. Don’t look at the opponents score. The game is not over until the chalker shouts ‘check’. It works for me. Just a thought


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