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The terror of constant brainwashing indeed spells hopelessness for billions.
A static intellect is when predetermination takes the place of honest inquiry and truth is suppressed. The culprit is misguided religion which leads to fanaticism, barbarism and superstition. This form of credulity is the catalyst of existing adverse and prejudicial conditions that have plagued mankind for nearly 5,000 years.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.

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Can a fool, fool God? - Feb 08, 2002
What Baseball-club owner would pay his worst ball-player the same money as his best? Since he is the owner he can do anything and even through compassion make such a reward. But let's measure the disadvantages of such a measure, his club would go bankrupt because his worst players would never strive to be better while his best players would do less since it makes no sense to be the best. Baseball will become non-competitive and the millions who would be deprived of its entertainment will no longer support it, not to mention the thousands that will be affected by employment. If there were such an owner who lacks such business sense, he would be called a fool, won't he?

 A fool has no value for time or knowledge and so he remains a fool all his life. It certainly requires no effort to be a fool and in the end he/she repents for being a fool and gains salvation. On the other hand, a wise man values his time and works diligently and strenuously daily all his life, in his efforts through austerity and abstinence to attain higher wisdom also gains salvation.

Now I ask what would we call the 'All-powerful' God of the Torah, Bible, Qur'an, Puranas, Zend Avesta, Guru Grantha, and all that other false dogmas that can do anything, who gives the same reward of heaven to both a fool and a wise man? To an intelligent soul, he is not only mortal like the Ball-club owner but even more foolish. In reality, a fool who follows a false dogma is only fooling him/herself. 
                                                                 
                         Redemption can only be a fool's passport to a fool's paradise.

                                                      In search of the One True Religion


                                        "No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth." Plato

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Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

One of the originators of the Physical Evolution Theory, Dr. A. R. Wallace was the first to strike down the Social Evolution Theory. He rightly affirmed that:

"The Veda admittedly the oldest book in the library of mankind contains the essential teachings of the most advanced religious thinkers and is a vast system of religious teachings which are pure and lofty."

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Theology is a complete waste of time. One could spend an entire life rising through the ranks of a clergy, and possess no useful knowledge at all.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

"If all the religions of the world were in harmony with each other there would have been one religion but since they all oppose each other there is one true religion." Swami Dayanand

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Or, far far far more likely, no true religion.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

If there is "no true religion", how would we know which ones are false?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

If 2999 out of 3000 must be false because they contradict each other, doesn’t mean there’s one true one. Far more likely that they’re all false.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

So you're saying one wise man now, isn't enough to convince you there were many before him?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Vijai Singh
So you're saying one wise man now, isn't enough to convince you there were many before him?

What?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

"I‘m convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc. It doesn’t behoove us, who were only savages and barbarians when these Indian people were civilized & learned, to dispute their antiquity." Voltaire

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Well, there’s no logical reason to believe anyone had any kind of supernatural origin.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.


Well, if you're full of doubt what kind of "logical reason" can that be?


"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

You’re confusing doubt with credulity

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

MUCK
You’re confusing doubt with credulity
No, I'm not and neither is Bertrand Russell.

Credulity is stupid who are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

So you doubt your faith?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

I do not belong to either of those two groups (stupid/intelligent).

"Philosophy and reason will remain the most beautiful sanctuary they have always been for the select few." Albert Einstein

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

I miss Mr Pritchett deeply. He was a shining beacon in the darkness.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Such as the first ape was to the first human?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

More like visa versa.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

How could it be, when the human came after the ape?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

That would be why.

It wouldn't work if humans came before the ape, that would be silly.

Your putting the cart before the horse.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

I don't give a ****!

It's your theory deal with it.

For the wise, evolution is a breach of natural laws!

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

You do know the difference between just a theory and a scientific theory?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Makes no difference, all I've to know is that both must conform to the immutable laws of nature.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

But you don't know what the laws of nature are. And cannot logically know what they are.
Logic can't give you certainty. Newtons model 'laws of nature' can be refuted by a single contrary result.

Why would they be immutable? Most would be set different by symmetry breaking.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

If it weren't immutable you'll be excreting via another opening.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Then tell me what trait I share with my Great Great Grandmother.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

The trait of ignorance, lacking the understanding of natural laws.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

So... demonstrated then. You cannot tell me the answer to my question.

Not omniscient.

Logically in an ultimate logical sense, no one can know what those rules are. Godel's incompleteness blocks the path. So science has its best guesses so far.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

What do you've on the subject of matter


And for the soul

If not, go bury your head in the sand and continue a life full of doubt.

"The trouble with the world the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Absolute gibberish. Lots of assertions with absolutely no supporting evidence. Many words but absolutely nothing of value stated.

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Obviously, the conclusion of one full of doubt!

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

more meaningless words. Come back to me when you have....well....anything ....

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You're the one doing the coming back Paul.

Perhaps, a fascination with "meaningless words."

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Vijai Singh
You're the one doing the coming back Paul.

Perhaps, a fascination with "meaningless words."
people regularly slow down to view car crashes....this is no different.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

You need to slow down and think.

One of the originators of the Physical Evolution Theory, Dr. A. R. Wallace was the first to strike down the Social Evolution Theory. He rightly affirmed that:

"The Veda admittedly the oldest book in the library of mankind contains the essential teachings of the most advanced religious thinkers and is a vast system of religious teachings which are pure and lofty."

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Dr who? Never heard of them. And its not the oldest book....2 lies in one post....you going for a record or something?

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Never heard of it? Go look for the book and educate yourself or remain one full of doubt.

In his book "Social Environment and Moral Progress".
"In the earliest records which have come down to us from the past, we find ample indications that accepted standard of morality and the conduct resulting from these were in no degree inferior to those which prevail today,

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Just going to ignore the fact that you lied then eh? Just going to keep posting random quotes.....you truly are clueless.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Another 'lie'?
He further wrote in "Social Environment and Moral Progress," strongly refuting the social and moral evolution theory:
"In the earliest records which have come down to us from the past, we find ample indications that accepted standard of morality and the conduct resulting from these were in no degree inferior to those which prevail today, though in some respects, they were different from ours. The wonderful collection of hymns known as the Vedas are a vast system of religious teachings as pure and lofty as those of the finest portions of the Hebrew Scriptures. Its authors were fully our equals in their conception of the universe and the Deity expressed in the finest poetic language."

Here's where all westerner scholars fit in:
"If there should be a conference among the most imaginative minds they will agree that almost all institutions of learning are only nurseries of prejudice, corruption, barbarism, and pedantry." Anon

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

oh yay....some more meaningless words thrown together to prove absolutely nothing.

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Paul
oh yay....some more meaningless words thrown together to prove absolutely nothing.

Thrown together by the "most imaginative minds". It's meaningless because you're not there yet.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

you are just putting random quotes out. Im still waiting for your evidence that your chosen religion is the right one... its very telling that all you can do is spout nonsense.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

My "chosen religion" has no no cure for a fool, Paul, so don't expect me to do it.

"Only the wisest and the stupidest of men never change." Confucius

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As I thought....absolutely nothing. More fairytale nonsense.

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Paul

As I thought....absolutely nothing. More fairytale nonsense.
We're at a stalemate, man. Confucius whom I full agree with knew neither you nor I can change.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

See thats where you are wrong. I am open to changing....if someone presents me with actual evidence. It just seems nobody has any evidence other than their feelings. If you wouldn't change your mind then im afraid you are the only one in the wrong here.

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

You don't understand the quote my friend.
It is good that you're open to change, it would mean you don't consider yourself the "stupidest".

But there is no need for the "wisest" to be open to change. That's already the ultimate!

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

So let me get this right....I should be open to change but you don't need to? Wow....arrogance personified

Re: Dr. Wallace was the first to strike down the evolution theory.

Paul
So let me get this right....I should be open to change but you don't need to? Wow....arrogance personified
You got it right, Paul.

"Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change." Confucius

Yes, one of us needs to change and it's not me.
It's not arrogance, it called wisdom "personified".

Here's the proof, but you have to change first.

In studying the systems of philosophy, it is necessary that the mind adopt a discipline of impartiality and sobriety.

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its arrogance. Pure and simple. I have no problem discussing religion with someone open minded. You are not that person. I have no desire to communicate with you further. You are beyond hope. A complete list cause and I have nothing further to say to you.