WELCOME TO CRITICAL THINKING
Debunking false dogmas.

The terror of constant brainwashing indeed spells hopelessness for billions.
A static intellect is when predetermination takes the place of honest inquiry and truth is suppressed. The culprit is misguided religion which leads to fanaticism, barbarism and superstition. This form of credulity is the catalyst of existing adverse and prejudicial conditions that have plagued mankind for nearly 5,000 years.

"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.

Topic of discussion
Can a fool, fool God? - Feb 08, 2002
What Baseball-club owner would pay his worst ball-player the same money as his best? Since he is the owner he can do anything and even through compassion make such a reward. But let's measure the disadvantages of such a measure, his club would go bankrupt because his worst players would never strive to be better while his best players would do less since it makes no sense to be the best. Baseball will become non-competitive and the millions who would be deprived of its entertainment will no longer support it, not to mention the thousands that will be affected by employment. If there were such an owner who lacks such business sense, he would be called a fool, won't he?

 A fool has no value for time or knowledge and so he remains a fool all his life. It certainly requires no effort to be a fool and in the end he/she repents for being a fool and gains salvation. On the other hand, a wise man values his time and works diligently and strenuously daily all his life, in his efforts through austerity and abstinence to attain higher wisdom also gains salvation.

Now I ask what would we call the 'All-powerful' God of the Torah, Bible, Qur'an, Puranas, Zend Avesta, Guru Grantha, and all that other false dogmas that can do anything, who gives the same reward of heaven to both a fool and a wise man? To an intelligent soul, he is not only mortal like the Ball-club owner but even more foolish. In reality, a fool who follows a false dogma is only fooling him/herself. 
                                                                 
                         Redemption can only be a fool's passport to a fool's paradise.

                                                      In search of the One True Religion


                                        "No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth." Plato

WARNING! Reader's discretion is advised - the truth offends!
Past dialogues debunking Religion
Other discussion boards: Vedic: Five tests of true religion  Do all paths lead to God?  Debunking evolution
Guestbook  
WELCOME TO CRITICAL THINKING
Debunking false dogmas.
Start a New Topic 
Author
Comment
Romain Rolland on Dayananda

"Dayananda was the first leader in the field of theology who welcomed the advances of sciences and technology. To him, the Vedas as the sourcebook contains the seed of science, and to him, the Vedas advocate the philosophy of dynamic realism." R. Rolland
Perry Hoffman
He is not original. Paine and deism long before him extolled science. Your scriptures failed to explain the origins of life.

Vijai Singh
Of course he isn't! He is a reformer who brought back the message of how it all began and was lost to civilization. Progression is always downward, a law.
The message is when it all started. Was Paine and deism there?
Perry Hoffman
Progression is always downward is not a law, and is not true.
Deism is a philosophy and the true theology. The Creation is the only revelation God has ever given of himself from the beginning of the world. It was the first notice of him, revealed to the inhabitants of the earth.

Vijai Singh
Well that's ok. It's quite obvious we don't worship the same God. Yours can't do certain things. Mine can do anything and it says all that is new eventually become old and finally dissolve. Such a "revelation" leaves ignorant illiterate savages to teach us to read and write.
Perry Hoffman
That God can do anything, none will dispute. But to say, that God is all-powerful, he can therefore do everything to make a square triangle or give existence to a thing and not at the same time. It derogates nothing from God that he cannot make both parts of a contradiction true.

Vijai Singh
In Deism, a deist is smarter than his God. Humans in the state of ignorance had figure for themselves language and then everything else about God and creation.
Perry Hoffman
In Deism, a deist stands in awe of God and the magnificent creation. Einstein was a Deist, & God is revealed in the cosmos. This is deism.
God gave us reason. We have the gift of reason (tools) to figure things out. How we use reason is our choice. It makes us more responsible.

Vijai Singh
The kind of "reason" that tells you backward illiterate savages are the source of knowledge of God & the cosmos?
Perry Hoffman
Why do you think man is the source of science? It is stupid to call science a “human invention.” It is only the application that is human. Man cannot invent principles, he can only discover them. The principles of science are in the creation and are eternal, and of divine origin.

Vijai Singh
"It doesn't behoove us, who were only savages and barbarians when these Indian people were civilized & learned, to dispute their antiquity." Voltaire
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace; human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend.." Mark Twain.
Perry Hoffman
I prefer Creation revelation. Those who rest here cannot be wrong. In the case of creation there's no delusion, it is natural, no one except God could have done it, it's God-made but, in the case of vedas they are man-made, those who go further can be wrong. The first are safest.

Vijai Singh
Here is your first delusion, that your backward illiterate ancestors taught us how to read and count.
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." Albert Einstein